If you have read Peter King’s SI.com column ranking the NFL’s starting quarterbacks from 1-32, you know that it was bookended by former SEC lynchpins. At the top is the reigning Super Bowl champion and former Tennessee Volunteer Peyton Manning. At the bottom is projected Chiefs starter Brodie Croyle out of Alabama, who served as Kansas City’s #3 man behind Trent Green and Damon Huard last season.
We’ll hear a lot about why Croyle will fail with the Chiefs, so I’m going to take the homer’s stance and look at this cloud’s silver lining. My favorite all-time Chief was Derrick Thomas, who also came to KC from the Crimson Tide, so I’m pulling for Brodie to make a good go of it with the boys in red, too.
I asked a couple of friends to give me reasons, both historical and current, why Brodie Croyle can succeed with the Chiefs.
First, Alabama fan Newspaper Hack from Journalism is for Rock Stars had this to say about #12:
Oh, man. How about his first start ever, an ass-kicking of later SEC West champs Arkansas in ‘02 (Bama was banned because of probation)? Or how he spent all of ‘03 with a separated shoulder? While he needed Prothro to make that catch in ‘05 against Southern Miss and D.J. Hall to make a big catch the same year against Tennessee, you can’t discount how important those tosses were to keep Bama in the game. Plus, he took the team on his shoulders and helped mount the drive that put the Tide in field goal range to beat Texas Tech in the Cotton Bowl. All Brodie needs is good receivers, and he’ll be great. And he’s a dead-ringer for a young Joe Namath, down to the bad knees.
And, we can only assume, in his overwhelming desire to wear panty hose and Kiss Suzy Kolber.
Todd from Roll Bama Roll threw in these two suggestions from a piece on Arrowhead Pride, as well:
The o-line HAS to protect him. If he has time to set and make his reads, he’s a killer. The kid has all the talent in the world and an arm to back it up, but unfortunately for him (and us) he had to make a lot of passes on the run here because our o-line sucked big time.
A strong ground game. He was able to rely on the run a lot early on at Alabama and that gave him plenty of time to focus on the high percentage plays and get into the rhythm of game speed and to develop chemistry with his receivers without having to win the game all by himself. By the end of his career though, he was able to take the whole team on his shoulders and make plays on his own. If he can do the same in the pros, he’ll step up his game and develop nicely.
So I checked in with Arrowhead Pride’s creator to see what the Chiefs are adding to the pot to support the new kid, and he gave me this:
Herm Edwards is behind him and is known to play young QBs (Pennington)
Dwayne Bowe, while not a powerhouse just yet, will hopefully be able to be Croyle’s no. 1 guy. We haven’t had a reciever like Bowe in a long time.As always, its nice to have Tony Gonzalez if you’re a QB.
One more player that will help: Larry Johnson.
Bottom line is that Croyle has the arm, has the smarts and will get the reps to succeed.
So let’s put that all together, and see where Brodie Croyle stands if he takes the field on opening day of 2007:
Toughness - His physical toughness was proven by his ability to play through injury in a power conference. His mental toughness was tested early when he played hard through coaching turmoil, probation, and a lack of quality offensive line play.
Coaching Support – Herm Edwards is putting his tacit support behind the young guy. Some might question this, as Huard had some success with the Chiefs’ offense after Green’s injury in ‘06, but KC fans are hungry for the hope of something more than game management.
A Running Game – Nobody can argue that Larry Johnson is the perfect running back for a young QB. He will carry the rock effectively, and defenses will have to stack against him, giving Croyle some open targets. If he’s worked on his blitz pick-ups, he’ll be Croyle’s greatest asset.
A Great Reciever – And I would lay this one on Tony Gonzalez still. Don’t let his up-and-down numbers fool you, Tony G. still has the skills. He has been called on to block more than he had to early in his career, but he’s still a threat in the open field, which Croyle should be able to exploit with the defense keying on Johnson. Add in big, fast first-round pick Dwayne Bowe out of LSU, and that means #12 has options.
Offensive Line – Here’s where it gets shaky. Turley, Bober, Weigmann, Waters, and left tackle Damion McIntosh are all that stand between Croyle and a severe weekly beatdown. Added to that, Kris Wilson is listed as lead fullback despite being drafted out of Pitt as a pass-catching tight end in 2004. If these guys can’t create holes for Larry Johnson to run through, the whole house of cards comes tumbling down on Brodie’s head.
Experience – Three completions for 23 yards in ‘06. So, in essence, none. We can assume he’ll get a lot of reps in practice and in the preseason, but next season is obviously going to be a sore trial on the young QB’s aforementioned mental toughness. But if there’s one thing we know about the NFL, it’s that you can’t predict quarterback play. There are Ryan Leafs and Rick Mirers at the top of the draft, and there are Tom Bradys and Joe Montanas who slide until later.
One thing the kid does know gives me hope:
Get the ball to the guys that make the Pro Bowl every year. You’ve got the best tight end that has probably ever played. You’ve got one of the best running backs in the league and you’ve got a very good group of receivers. It’s just a matter of knowing where to go with the ball and what coverage and what holes to hit. If you do that than you’ll be successful.
So if old Herm can somehow put together a capable offensive line, and Croyle can exploit the space in defenses made to stop LJ, Kansas City just might not have the worst starting QB around. Most likely, the proof will be in the pudding two years down the road. For this year, let’s just buckle up and hold on tight, and cut the kid some slack, already.
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Wow, talk about coincidences; I literally just heard Croyle on with the Shrutebag. When asked how he felt about the criticisms thrown his way, he said it didn’t bother him, because “I don’t watch the news, read the papers, or listen to talk radio.” He sounds like he’s brimming with confidence, but then he should be, I suppose.
The offensive line will probably be the deciding factor. How well they play will determine if Croyle is a David Carr or a Ben Roethlisberger (crica 2005).
Did he mention whether he “reads the blogs”?
I am very worried about the offensive line, but you could see the crisis coming a mile away. We had a hall-of-fame caliber line for so long, we couldn’t possibly create one that would take its place when everyone retired.
The part that worries me most is trusting the health of the Franchise (LJ) to Kris Wilson. I don’t get that.
Thanks for the backup on the Hoeppner story P. really appreciate it. I think the situation in Kansas City with Croyle is very similar to what many small market teams face when they go through reconstruction periods. The Chiefs, however, are not a typical small market team in that they have been able to produce consistent success over an extended period of time. Though they haven’t been world beaters the last two years, they are still a very productive offensive team with an improving defense. Watch out for a great young combo in Mitchell, Johsnon and Tamba Hali. That is an impact defense waiting to break out. Hali’s chop while rushing reminds me of a certain d-end in Indianapolis who likes to force fumbles. Loved him when he was with JoePa, too. I look for Kansas City to really separate itself from a declining Denver this year and challenge a San Diego team that is undergoing a shakeup on the coaching staff.
If you’re referring to Kawika Mitchell (thats Ka VEE ka) he is currently on the Giants roster. He was a free agent after the 2006 season.
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I don’t think Croyle is destined for great things but if we’re just talking about him not being at the bottom of the list then, yeah I can go with that.
But in order to say that you have to name guys that are worse than him right? That’s not too hard though McCown, Jackson and quite possibly even Vick could all be worse couldn’t they?
Yeah, I almost put a line in there like “At least put him 31st ahead of Jackson”.
Unfortunately Kawika Mitchell’s gone and replaced by a total mediocrity in Napoleon Harris.
Eh. Mitchell and Harris are about an even switch IMO.
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I believe his protection is going to be Chris Terry and John Welbourne in place of Bober and Turley. I don’t think Turley is even on the roster anymore.
Regardless, I expect Croyle to be the starter and have ups and downs. But hopefully he will learn from his mistakes and build on his successes. From all indications, there will be a lot of youth being injected into the starting lineup this season. So he’ll have company on the learning curve. This could be a rough season for the Chiefs’ faithful. Being one of them, I hope it pays off in the long run.
P.S. – Regarding the Harris vs Mitchell issue. Harris was brought in because he is better in coverage than Mitchell, which will better serve the cover 2 defense. It’s more an issue of skill set than overall talent level.
If things don’t work out in the NFL for Brodie, he can always go with his plan B as a Ringo Starr impersonator.
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Chris Terry. Now I feel better, bro. Though I can’t believe the chart I looked at didn’t have Welbourn on it – he would seem to be a guy who can get the job done. Who knows how old it was, though.
I may have spoken too soon. Word is, Kyle Turley is trying to make another comeback and has at least talked with the Chiefs. Nothing official though.
You may not want to be so quick to dismiss croyle’s NFL potential. After setting passing records in the Big 10, Drew Brees was selected as the guest QB for the 2001 Elite 11 QB camp in California.
At the conclusion of the camp, Brees was asked who the best QB there was and responded: “Including me?…it was definately Brodie Croyle”.
Of note: Drew Brees was the NFL’s leading passer in 2006 with 4418 yards while leading the saints to NFC championship game and selected for pro-Bowl.
Drew Brees is 6-0/209. Croyle is 6-2/206.
Well, that’s why the piece is called a defense of Brodie Croyle.
I realize your article was in defense of Croyle. However, the fact that you were inspired to write it illustrates that many KC fans, media and others around the NFL have serious doubts concerning BC’s ability to perform at the professional level. I was simply trying to provide a bit of additional supporting evidence to support your argument.
The fact is that BC’s time at Alabama unfortunately coincided with the lowest point in this storied program’s history within the past 50 years. NCAA investigation, sanctions, bowl bans, multiple coaches, poor coaching, weak recruiting, etc. This would be bad enough, but the SEC doesn’t operate in a vaccum…if a prominent team is down, the Auburns, Tennessees, Floridas and LSUs are siphoning off the available talent and getting stronger.
Yes, Bama did field a couple of great defensive squads while BC was playing, but offensive talent was way down and depth was non-existent. Despite playing at arguably one of the worst times in school histeory, BC set passing all-time records even though he missed most of two seasons due to injury.
This guy has a ton of talent, grit, poise and leadership ability. BC played behind extremely pourous make-shift offensive lines for much of his college career. However, when afforded a modicum of protection, this kid has the stongest arm and quickest release the NFL has seen since Marino took Miami to the Super Bowl.
BC may struggle as KC rebuilds its offensive line, but it would be a mistake to let him go. The Atlanta Falcons traded Brett Farve because they thought he couldn’t play QB in the NFL. KC would be smart not to make the same mistake.
First of all. I think the world of Brodie and his family. Brodie Croyle is the best quarterback in the NFL. He come from tradition riche Alabama, He will do just fin in the NFL. I look for him to breake alot of NFL records for rookes this year. He will be like Namanth. Hall of Fame got a spot just for him! No player will leave best college program and fail in the NFL.
Are you interested in doing a mock draft:
http://hazeradio.wordpress.com/2007/06/27/the-hazeans-blogger-mock-draft/
Hope so!
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Croyle has had a life fraught with criticism. Growing up among children from dysfunctional families, he has learned not to take anything for granted; and never to expect a “free ride.” As a result, he has come to expect the lack of respect that so often comes the way of a cracker from Bama: talk is cheap; an arm like Croyle’s is very expensive.
I think the key to Croyle’s success in the NFL is the wisdom of Herm Edwards. After Croyle appeared on the cover of “Sports Illustrated,” a dramatic change came to Mike Shula’s opinion of him: the green-eyed monster had bitten the young coach.
Edwards, quite the opposite, is very secure in his own skin, and not interested in the spotlight. He is willing to let things fall as they may for the good of the team; and if that means letting LJ, Gonzalez, or Croyle shine, so be it.
I believe that having a coach working with him — rather than competing for attention — will make all the difference in Brodie…
We have yet to see what he’s got… but it’s obvious what he is not: last in the NFL.